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Nicholas Smith's avatar

I don’t know.

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D. James Kennedy's avatar

Your points on suffering are reductive.

There is a modal difference between an addict suffering withdrawals in pursuit of his wounded conscience and a tsunami that destroys his family members and community. The first demands of his conscience un-learning his love for something evil or destructive. The second demands of his conscience his naming and condemning the evil (here purely physical evil, a work of gods or, increasingly, of men) that has afflicted him - and if he does not, he becomes complicit in that evil. In other words, in both cases, the attitude towards suffering is the same: its condemnation.

In both cases, the demand on the man's soul is to condemn his suffering; the fact is occluded in the first example only because the man is his own victim: indeed, his recovery depends upon recognizing his suffering as an evil he has inflicted upon himself. In both cases, a soul is shaped by its attitude towards suffering, true, but it is a banal observation, merely the flip side of recognizing the good (that is, what is not suffering). Indeed, souls are shaped perfectly well (in fact, probably only so) in the absence of suffering - by joy, delight, learning; that is, by learning our natural love for the transcendentals as best we can here. A man in agony 24 hours of the day and told his suffering teaches him of God must learn nothing of such a God; for such is not God.

What is the alternative, really? That loving God requires suffering? No. To love God - to truly love God - is bliss. True Bliss and God are identical. Suffering without purpose is the nature of suffering; otherwise, it would come directly of God.

Once this is grasped, DBH's argument becomes transparently true. God does save his creatures by removing extrinsic, physical (i.e., non-moral) impediments to their natural union with him.

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